Today, I am reviewing the Avel Sound Concept (ASC) Foehn model tenor saxophone mouthpiece made by Max at Avel Sound Concept Mouthpieces. These are really reasonable priced, quality hard rubber tenor saxophone mouthpieces that, as you will soon hear, play incredibly well….. The hard rubber ASC Foehn tenor sax mouthpiece I am reviewing today has a 7* tip opening.
Avel Sound Concept ASC Foehn Tenor Saxophone Mouthpiece
Here is how the Avel Sound Concept website describes the new ASC Foehn hard rubber tenor saxophone mouthpiece:
The Foehn is a dry, warm, down-slope wind blowing in the Alps.
This hard rubber piece has a medium-large round chamber and a customizable rollover baffle. It is a crossover between a Slant Sig and an EB. It has a medium sound with lush lows and powerful highs. This piece is fitted with a very responsive facing curve for projection and the right amount of resistance to push against for better control of the altissimo register. This piece is at ease in a variety of situations from big band to pop music.
Yeah, if you are like me, you probably don’t know what to do with the “The Foehn is a dry, warm, down-slope wind blowing in the Alps.” Let’s just skip over that part of the description to the part sax players understand; hard rubber, medium-large round chamber, rollover baffle, lush lows and powerful highs, very responsive facing curve, etc……..
Avel Sound Concept ASC Foehn Tenor Saxophone Mouthpiece
The Avel Sound Concept Foehn tenor sax mouthpiece came well packaged and protected. The Foehn mouthpiece is made of high quality hard rubber that is really shiny. The shine of the mouthpiece was so brilliant that it made me question whether it was some sort of plastic or resin but Max assured me that it is indeed pure high quality hard rubber that he works hard to make shine.
The ASC Foehn mouthpiece tip, rails, table and baffle all look great. The tip rail is thin and even and the tip matches up with my tenor saxophone reeds nicely. The side rails are thin and even as well. The sidewalls on either side of the baffle look to be straight for about an inch and then are scooped out as they near the chamber of the mouthpiece.
The roof of the chamber is a medium thickness and the chamber is what I would describe as a medium to medium-large chamber when compared to a typical large sized hard rubber Otto Link tenor mouthpiece chamber (ASC describes the Foehn mouthpiece as a medium-large chamber).
Avel Sound Concept ASC Foehn Tenor Saxophone Mouthpiece
The baffle of the ASC Foehn tenor saxophone mouthpiece is a pretty substantial rollover baffle. The baffle travels at a medium high height for about an inch before it scoops down into the chamber. For comparison, the baffle of the Foehn mouthpiece is higher and longer than a couple of Otto Link Early Babbitt Connoisseur tenor mouthpieces I have sitting on my desk right now. The baffle is scooped from side to side as it travels down to the mouthpiece chamber. Just from inspecting the generous baffle, my guess is that the ASC Foehn tenor sax mouthpiece would play with a nice amount of brightness and power.
Avel Sound Concept ASC Foehn Tenor Saxophone Mouthpiece
Although the chamber in the ASC Foehn mouthpiece looks a little rough in the photos, it feels smooth to the touch. I think it just has that look from the work performed while making it and the interior of the mouthpiece was not shined up like the exterior of the mouthpiece was.
Avel Sound Concept ASC Foehn Tenor Saxophone Mouthpiece
The mouthpiece beak of the Avel Sound Concept Foehn tenor sax mouthpiece has a low profile to it that I really liked. It feels very comfortable for me when compared to how a hard rubber tenor sax mouthpiece with a high beak profile feels. Something about a lower beak profile on a hard rubber mouthpiece always makes me feel like the tone is a bit brighter and more powerful. I believe this is because the vibrations more easily travel from the mouthpiece, through the narrow beak, and to my teeth and then ear.
Avel Sound Concept ASC Foehn Tenor Saxophone Mouthpiece
The Foehn tenor sax mouthpiece played great for me with a BSS (Boston Sax Shop) 2 1/2 reed. That BSS 2 1/2 reed is usually too soft for me with 7* tip opening mouthpieces but the ASC Foehn tenor sax mouthpiece has a shorter facing curve of 47 which makes a softer reed feel a bit harder. I actually like shorter facing curves of 47 for certain tenor sax mouthpieces because of this reason. I have a number of other tenor sax mouthpieces with this shorter facing curve of 47 and it allows me to use a softer reed while still getting enough resistance when blowing that the reed feels harder and the tone more substantial. My JVW (Jon Van Wie) Otto Link, Lamberson J7 and Retro Revival “Super D Double Ring Replica tenor sax mouthpieces all have shorter facing curves of 47 which I really love on those tenor mouthpieces.
Avel Sound Concept ASC Foehn Tenor Saxophone Mouthpiece
The Avel Sound Concept Foehn tenor saxophone mouthpiece played great for me. I found the ASC Foehn mouthpiece to have a beautiful brightness to the core sound that gave the high register a ringing and singing quality to the notes. I assume this brightness in the sound is the effect of the high rollover baffle and medium chamber.
The ASC Foehn mouthpiece had plenty of power and brightness when pushed as you can hear in the louder parts of the sound clip where I play more aggressively. I believe some of the brightness and crispness is due to the ability to use a softer reed on the Foehn’s shorter facing curve. The softer reed sounds crisp and the shorter curve gives it enough resistance so it doesn’t sound like a wet noodle like on other tenor mouthpieces with a longer facing curve on them.
Sometimes, like on my JVW Otto Link, the shorter facing curve can make the low register not as lush and thick sounding as it might with a longer facing curve but the ASC Foehn seems well balanced in that the low notes sound thick and full. You can hear how the Foehn sounds so good playing on a ballad or laid back jazz tune. The soft reed allows the low notes to have a lush and fat quality to them that makes them sound great to my ears.
The intonation of the Foehn tenor mouthpiece was excellent and the scale and range of the saxophone sounded smooth and even to me as I played. The altissimo register was easy to play and I found the ASC Foehn mouthpiece to be expressive and easy to control.
I have included a long sound clip below with no effects and another short clip with reverb added so you can hear how the ASC Foehn tenor sax mouthpiece might sound on a live gig in a big hall or with reverb added to it while recording.
Avel Sound Concept ASC Foehn Tenor Saxophone Mouthpiece
If you like the sound and look of the Avel Sound Concept Foehn tenor saxophone mouthpiece, you can find them on the Avel Sound Concept website. Believe it or not, at the time of this review, these are only $185 on the ASC website. I always receive emails asking me what is a great mouthpiece that is also affordable and the Avel Sound Concept Foehn tenor sax mouthpiece fits that description perfectly. I would have no problem playing this mouthpiece on a loud gig, with a big band or even with a sax quartet. This is a great deal for a hard rubber tenor saxophone mouthpiece that plays this well and sounds this beautiful in my opinion.
If you are lucky enough to play a Avel Sound Concept Foehn tenor saxophone mouthpiece or have any other thoughts or comments, I would love to hear what you think in the comments below. Thanks, Steve
Avel Sound Concept ASC Foehn Tenor Saxophone Mouthpiece-BSS (Boston Sax Shop) 2 1/2 Reed
Avel Sound Concept ASC Foehn Tenor Saxophone Mouthpiece-BSS (Boston Sax Shop) 2 1/2 Reed-Reverb Added
Hi Steve,
Thanks for reviewing my ASC Foehn 7* tenor mouthpiece. You sound amazing on it and your photos are much better than my marketing material!
With regards to the first sentence of the description on my website, it’s just to explain the origin of the name. My mouthpieces are all named after a wind around the world.
Cheers,
Max- ASC
Hi Steve,
I’ve been playing Max’s pieces on sop/alto/tenor for some time; they are indeed the best ‘bang for buck’ I’ve ever experienced. I play all styles with them and feel comfortable getting all I need out of them in each individual musical situation (I don’t like swapping out pieces for different musical styles). Max at Avel Sound Concept is also the easiest human with whom to communicate about your needs and his refacing work is outstanding as are his original mouthpiece designs. As always, you sound incredible on this and all the pieces you review! I’ll leave a link to a short bit of a recording on one of Max’s refaced pieces; he’s done many for me and all of his work is incredible. Thanks for reviewing the Foehn! DC https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tmfgQxQ_Sbk
Thanks Steve. It has THAT sound! Also pretty warm core since the warmth even sticks out of my iPhone tinny speakers. I will listen to it on headphones / proper speakers later to have better understanding of the tone. I always thought I wouldn’t be happy with short facing tone which tends to not be as lush as let’s say 50 mm but I guess I’m wrong! This one sounds pretty balanced to me. Also would be hard to get that wonderful well-defined bright yet thick core of the tone without the shorter facing I guess. Great job Avel! I think if this can be in par with your Lamberson or JVW for tonal concept, that’s a real compliment by itself. Cheers.
Thanks Arya! I am goad you like Steve’s recording on my design!
A 50mm facing length is rather long. I would only consider this on a high baffle piece or on an elliptical curve with a high ellipse factor.
From what I hear it is a great mouthpiece.
Perhaps, if it were also available in tip opening 5 *, the sound could have more projection; as Dexter Gordon said about his mouthpiece:
(I report, with copy and paste, if legal, what is taken from the site:
“https://www.saxontheweb.net/threads/rs-berkeley-legends-%E2%80%9Cdexter-gordon%E2%80%9D-thoughts.365884/page-2
extrapolating, if legal, a comment from user Nicolas Trefeil who in response to user mrpeebee reports a statement made to him by Dexter Gordon, as Trefeil writes:
“… Nicolas Trefeil
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mrpeebee said:
Yes, it’s hard to find consistent and reliable data about mouthpieces used by great players. If I remember well I did read about Dexter’s 8* Otto Link in ‘Dexter Gordon – A Musical Biography’ by Stan Britt, but I could also have grabbed it from the liner notes on one of the many LP’s I have from Dexter.
Here are some links:
– Dexter’s biography: https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/1282114.Dexter_Gordon
– Nicolas Trefeil setup of tenor players: https://www.nicolastrefeil.com/tenor-sax-player-s-setup
– Old SOTW thread from 2011: https://forum.saxontheweb.net/showt…tups-Help-needed-from-SOTW-members-quot-quot/
Nicolas Trefeil (see above for the link) states that Dexter used a Dukoff BD Hollywood metal 5* slightly refaced with La Voz Medium reeds.
I’m not sure how reliable that is, because he is also not accurate about the mouthpiece Dexter used in the mid 40’s. That was an Otto Link Tone Master 6 (not a Four ****) which Dexter traded with Illinois Jacquet (who got Dexter’s refaced TM 4) when both played with Lionel Hampton in the early 40’s. That’s what IJ has stated on several places (also in the above mentioned biography of Dexter).
Hello MrPeebee. I try to give good information on my web site, I can make some mistake, but the information from my website about Dexter Gordon mouthpieces is given by Dexter Gordon himself.
-from an interview in Crescendo Magazine of December 1962. (The picture of the article is showing him with is Conn and Dukkof mpc). He also says about the reed: La Voz, medium strenght
Dexter Gordon say also in this interview that before the mpc is playing now, he played an Otto Link especially made for him during “The chase” era (1947) and until it got stolen around 1952.
All the best.
Nicolas Trefeil …“).
Giuseppe.
Hi Giuseppe,
I also make them in 5* under the Custom option.
Regards,
Max – ASC
Hi Max,
First of all congratulations for the excellent sound, from how I perceive it via computer, of the mouthpiece.
What is the cost of the custom model?
Can you point me to a dealer in Rome where I can possibly (try) and / or buy it?
If the dealer is not there, do you send cash on delivery, since I do not use bank means but only cash?
Thanks for the info.
Giuseppe.
Giuseppe,
The custom model is the same price as the standard model. All details available on my website. The onlyndifference is that a custom tip opening cat be returned.
I do not have a reseller in Italy, sorry. Unfortunately, cash on delivery is not an option.
http://www.avelsoundconcept.com
Regards,
Max
Thanks Max for the kind informations.
Giuseppe.
Hi,
Thanks to your review, I’ve been playing the Foehn for 2 months. It’s crazy how this mouthpiece sounds good for this price. It’s a very versatile mouthpiece but it’s kind of on a bright side of the sound spectrum though. I really like the dynamics I can get, playing softly and being able to scream is big plus for me. And don’t get me wrong, subtones and low notes are great. It reminds me a little bit of my Theo Wanne Slant Sig 2, they share the same low profile but the sig has a larger chamber. So far I’m very happy with my Foehn, it even has the name of the wind that was melting the snow off the mountain in my childhood.
Hi.
I bought one of these in an 8* around June/July time on the back of this review. I received it and put it in my draw. I was really enjoying the current set-up and I don’t like to change my kit about too much.
So there it sat for 6 months or so until a couple of weeks ago. I attended a Cuban big band workshop and I felt my current set-up was too edgy so when I got home I got this piece out of the draw. It took only a few practice sessions and it sounded great! Kind of wished I’d done that sooner. It’s a great piece, love it, beautiful tone with still a good level of projection.
Mostly the sound comes from yourself but this mouthpiece certainly helped me get that sound in my head. Looking forward to the next Cuban session
I bought this mouthpiece based on Steve’s review. I have played on my sonic journey many mouthpieces and after one week I can say that this is probably the best mouthpiece I have played. Great big sound, intonation easy to play (low and high notes) and plenty of power when pushed. And the price is just ridiculous for the quality. Super mouthpiece.
io suono da un po di tempo con questo bocchino ASC 7 STAR E LO TROVO DAVVERO FANTASTICO.Nella mia vita di musicista ne ho provati tanti in più di 50 anni ed il vostro è davvero imbattibile ed in più ad un prezzo davvero onesto .Complimenti
Translation: I have been playing with this ASC 7 STAR mouthpiece for some time and I FIND IT REALLY FANTASTIC. In my life as a musician I have tried many in more than 50 years and yours is truly unbeatable and moreover at a truly honest price. Congratulations
I just bought and received my Foehn mouthpiece. It is a seriously amazing piece! Like, when people say it’s, “really great for the price“ I really don’t think that comment does it justice. What I mean is, it’s a fantastic mouthpiece at ANY price! I think it’s going to become my main piece immediately. Mine subtones down to low B flat so easily, the notes just fall out of the horn. Yet the upper register is strong and the altissimo is incredibly easy and stable for me! I actually gained another whole step higher on the top of my altissimo range. I don’t know how those two things are
possible at the same time, but Max must be some kind of a wizard or something, lol. The tone on this thing is fat and beautiful. And like I was saying earlier, it just plays so incredibly well! I’m probably gonna buy a duplicate just so I have it as a backup. That’s how much I love it!