{"id":49641,"date":"2018-03-03T07:19:55","date_gmt":"2018-03-03T12:19:55","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.neffmusic.com\/blog\/?p=49641"},"modified":"2022-11-16T12:57:31","modified_gmt":"2022-11-16T17:57:31","slug":"monster-berg-larsen-170-tip-opening-tenor-saxophone-mouthpiece-review","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.neffmusic.com\/blog\/2018\/03\/monster-berg-larsen-170-tip-opening-tenor-saxophone-mouthpiece-review\/","title":{"rendered":"Monster Berg Larsen .170 Tip Opening Tenor Saxophone Mouthpiece Review"},"content":{"rendered":"<p style=\"text-align: left;\">Yes,\u00a0 you read that right!\u00a0 A .170 tip opening!! That&#8217;s a 14 tip opening!\u00a0 To give you a little bit of a backstory, I received this email the other day from a fan of my site:<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: left;\"><em>&#8220;Hi Steve,<\/em><br \/>\n<em> I have a favor to ask of you, if you can fit it in to your schedule. I&#8217;ve been playing for MANY years\u00a0 and have been through the mp numbers as my music\/bands have changed&#8230;&#8230; Bergs, etc.. I&#8217;m now using a Lawton 10 *B and love it. I purchased a bronze Berg 185\/2 a few years ago (for kicks) and got to like it a lot (for what it can do). It&#8217;s been worked on a little by a couple of people and I think it&#8217;s tip is now closer to a 170. But it&#8217;s still a monster and a lung exerciser. My problem is this. My hearing is lost&#8230; used aids for years and now have one cochlear implant &#8211; have it for 5 months. It has made my life whole again, BUT I don&#8217;t recognize my sound anymore. LOTS of &#8220;treble&#8221;. Once in a while I go through my mp drawer and have a ball &#8211; not easy when you also have to get a good matching reed (as you know). I&#8217;m mainly using the synthetics and very happy with them. However, ANY reed I use on the big Berg gets bent in and actually plays better\/easier. (I play with a LOOSE embouchure).\u00a0 Back to my request&#8230; Can you try out my Berg and tell me where it fits in the sound spectrum? I&#8217;m NOT trying to sell it. So far, with my present hearing, it seems to have a thin loud sound in an open area, but solid and full against a wall. Sub tone is easy, as well as up to D5. It fits right in with Gato&#8217;s Europa sound (I think).&#8221;<\/em><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: left;\">At first, I responded that I couldn&#8217;t do a review of this saxophone mouthpiece.\u00a0 I have too much on my plate and besides that,\u00a0 who the heck plays a .170 tip opening sax mouthpiece?\u00a0 That is just crazy!\u00a0 \u00a0After sending out the email, I gave it some further thought and realized that I was a bit curious what a mouthpiece that open would actually play like so I decided I would like to try it&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;..<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/cdn.neffmusic.com\/2018\/Berg170SideTip1.JPG\" rel=\"shadowbox\"><img decoding=\"async\" class=\"aligncenter\" style=\"border: 0px initial initial;\" src=\"https:\/\/cdn.neffmusic.com\/2018\/Berg170SideTip1.JPG\" alt=\"\" width=\"500\" height=\"350\" border=\"0\" hspace=\"0\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: center;\"><strong>Monster Berg Larsen .170 Tip Opening Tenor Saxophone Mouthpiece<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>When I received the Bronze Berg Larsen sax mouthpiece, I immediately opened the package to examine the mouthpiece.\u00a0 I must admit that I didn&#8217;t 100% believe the person who sent it knew what they were talking about.\u00a0 A .170 tip opening mouthpiece?&#8230;&#8230;does that even exist?\u00a0 Apparently so, I opened the package and looked at the mouthpiece, it was a bronze Berg Larsen tenor saxophone mouthpiece with the numbers 185 over 2 SMS inscribed on the shank.\u00a0 That means it was a .185 tip opening !\u00a0 WHAT?\u00a0 Are you kidding me?\u00a0 That&#8217;s like a 15* tip opening!\u00a0 \u00a0If I play a .120 I get winded!\u00a0 Who the heck plays a .185?\u00a0 I have never even heard of such a thing!<\/p>\n<p>The owner of the mouthpiece let me know that this mouthpiece was worked on by a few people and now measured around .170.\u00a0 (I believe Dave Jary put the nice looking baffle in it and Keith Bradbury did some work on it as well)\u00a0 I was still skeptical of this even though the tip opening looked huge,\u00a0 I put a few feeler gauges under the tip just to get a ballpark figure.\u00a0 I put a .125 gauge plus a .024 plus a .014 plus a .010 and it was pretty close to the tip of the mouthpiece.\u00a0 Add those numbers together and you get .173.\u00a0 That is close enough for me&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/cdn.neffmusic.com\/2018\/Berg170SideTip1.JPG\" rel=\"shadowbox\"><br \/>\n<img decoding=\"async\" class=\"aligncenter\" style=\"border: 0px initial initial;\" src=\"https:\/\/cdn.neffmusic.com\/2018\/Berg170SideTip1.JPG\" alt=\"\" width=\"500\" height=\"350\" border=\"0\" hspace=\"0\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: center;\"><strong>Monster Berg Larsen .170 Tip Opening Tenor Saxophone Mouthpiece<\/strong><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: left;\">I put a brand new 2 1\/2 Vandoren Java reed on this mouthpiece and honestly thought there was no way it would seal and get suction on this tip opening.\u00a0 As you look at the mouthpiece from the side, the facing curve looks pretty extreme to my eye.\u00a0 \u00a0I thought there was no way a reed would conform to that extreme of a curve!\u00a0 I did the suction test and the reed immediately stuck to the curve of the facing for a second.\u00a0 Wow!\u00a0 \u00a0I was impressed!\u00a0 I blew on the mouthpiece alone and it blew easily and produced a nice buzz, also surprising to me.<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: left;\">When I first played the mouthpiece, it was during a Skype lesson with a student.\u00a0 I played a little bit and immediately started to feel a bit dizzy and winded.\u00a0 The amount of air I usually used to play for about 30 seconds seemed to last for about 8 seconds and was gone.\u00a0 The student did say he thought it sounded pretty good though&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;.<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/cdn.neffmusic.com\/2018\/Berg170Numbers1.JPG\" rel=\"shadowbox\"><img decoding=\"async\" class=\"aligncenter\" style=\"border: 0px initial initial;\" src=\"https:\/\/cdn.neffmusic.com\/2018\/Berg170Numbers1.JPG\" alt=\"\" width=\"500\" height=\"350\" border=\"0\" hspace=\"0\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: center;\"><strong>Monster Berg Larsen .170 Tip Opening Tenor Saxophone Mouthpiece<\/strong><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: left;\">After the lesson, I played for another 20 minutes just trying to get used to this mouthpiece.\u00a0 It took more air than I was used to and I was trying to get used to that.\u00a0 \u00a0At first, the tone seemed really spread and kind of lost in the room but as I played it, it seemed like it came into focus more for me.<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: left;\">I also noticed that the intonation was much more flexible that I was used to. As I played with my normal embouchure pressure the sax was in tune but the more I played,\u00a0 my embouchure got tired and I started to go flat.\u00a0 I kept trying to fight against this but the more I did the more tired my embouchure got.\u00a0 I really didn&#8217;t feel like I was biting or adding more pressure with my embouchure but in retrospect I think I was subconsciously adding pressure so the reed was\u00a0 easier to play for me.<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/cdn.neffmusic.com\/2018\/Berg170Baffle1.JPG\" rel=\"shadowbox\"><img decoding=\"async\" class=\"aligncenter\" style=\"border: 0px initial initial;\" src=\"https:\/\/cdn.neffmusic.com\/2018\/Berg170Baffle1.JPG\" alt=\"\" width=\"500\" height=\"350\" border=\"0\" hspace=\"0\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: center;\"><strong>Monster Berg Larsen .170 Tip Opening Tenor Saxophone Mouthpiece<\/strong><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: left;\">I was actually surprised by how easy the .170 Berg Larsen mouthpiece was to play.\u00a0 I didn&#8217;t think it would play with the 2 1\/2 reed at all and that I would need a 1 or 1 1\/2 size reed to play this monster tip opening.\u00a0 If nothing else, I was prepared to spend a few minutes tonight sanding down my Java 2 1\/2 reed so that I could play it on this clip.\u00a0 I was surprised when that wasn&#8217;t needed&#8230;&#8230;.\u00a0 The Java 2 1\/2 played pretty well on it!<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/cdn.neffmusic.com\/2018\/BergBaffle31.JPG\" rel=\"shadowbox\"><img decoding=\"async\" class=\"aligncenter\" style=\"border: 0px initial initial;\" src=\"https:\/\/cdn.neffmusic.com\/2018\/BergBaffle31.JPG\" alt=\"\" width=\"500\" height=\"350\" border=\"0\" hspace=\"0\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: center;\"><strong>Monster Berg Larsen .170 Tip Opening Tenor Saxophone Mouthpiece<\/strong><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: left;\">As I listen back to the sound clip, the tone of this mouthpiece has the characteristic hollowness of a big tip opening mouthpiece to my ears.\u00a0 The tone has an airiness to it and is quite spread to my ears.\u00a0 None of these are bad things but just descriptions of what I hear in the tone.\u00a0 I go into a little bit of &#8220;Pink Panther&#8221; at the :46 mark just because I have heard that Plas Johnson played a .150 tip opening Berg Larsen and he played on Pink Panther so&#8230;..<\/p>\n<p>The tone sounds very mid-range to me. That means that the middle part of the range of audible frequencies is boosted more than the lows or highs are.\u00a0 That&#8217;s how I perceive it anyways.<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: left;\">At 1:53,\u00a0 you can hear how the mouthpiece sounds playing soft.\u00a0 Although it sounds lush and spread,\u00a0 you can hear a lot of air in the sound because of the huge tip opening&#8230;&#8230;.I actually say &#8220;Wow&#8221; afterwards as I feel a bit winded and lightheaded&#8230;&#8230;.<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: left;\">At the 2:17 mark I go into a louder R&amp;B type of sound and the volume really kicks up a notch.\u00a0 I am in no way playing at 100% either.\u00a0 I would say I am playing at like 70%.\u00a0 \u00a0This mouthpiece has plenty of volume if you have the air to put into it but I will say that I think the larger tip opening makes the tone more spread and hollow to my ears than a more closed tip tenor mouthpiece.<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: left;\">At 2:57,\u00a0 I am&#8221;buzzing&#8221; my lips because they feel so tired. At the end of the clip, I actually feel like I have to sit down as I feel so dizzy!\u00a0 \u00a0I don&#8217;t usually leave these thoughts in the clips but I thought it was important for this review as I am playing a MONSTER tip opening Berg Larsen!<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/cdn.neffmusic.com\/2018\/Berg170Tip21.JPG\" rel=\"shadowbox\"><img decoding=\"async\" class=\"aligncenter\" style=\"border: 0px initial initial;\" src=\"https:\/\/cdn.neffmusic.com\/2018\/Berg170Tip21.JPG\" alt=\"\" width=\"500\" height=\"350\" border=\"0\" hspace=\"0\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: center;\"><strong>Monster Berg Larsen .170 Tip Opening Tenor Saxophone Mouthpiece<\/strong><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: left;\">At this point in the review, I usually point you to a maker who makes this mouthpiece,\u00a0 but I have no idea who makes a .170 tip opening mouthpiece these days.\u00a0 This mouthpiece actually has &#8220;Kenny Long&#8221; engraved on the side.\u00a0 \u00a0I have no idea who that is but I am wondering if this is a special order mouthpiece that was made for Mr. Long at some point. (I tried doing a google search for &#8220;Kenny Long&#8221; but doing that search gives you mostly Kenny G long note clips)<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: left;\">You don&#8217;t see or hear too many of these mouthpieces so I am happy I could take some pictures and record a sound clip.\u00a0 I&#8217;m still most comfortable with my .105-.115 tip opening tenor mouthpieces but this piece was fun to try that is for sure.\u00a0 Thanks to Don for letting me borrow this mouthpiece to try. It was quite the workout for me&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;Let me know what you think in the comments below.\u00a0 \u00a0 Thanks,\u00a0 \u00a0Steve<\/p>\n<audio class=\"wp-audio-shortcode\" id=\"audio-49641-1\" preload=\"none\" style=\"width: 100%;\" controls=\"controls\"><source type=\"audio\/mpeg\" src=\"https:\/\/cdn.neffmusic.com\/2018\/BL170Final.mp3?_=1\" \/><a href=\"https:\/\/cdn.neffmusic.com\/2018\/BL170Final.mp3\">https:\/\/cdn.neffmusic.com\/2018\/BL170Final.mp3<\/a><\/audio>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: center;\"><strong><strong>Monster Berg Larsen .170 Tip Opening Tenor Saxophone Mouthpiece<\/strong><\/strong><\/p>\n<div style=\"padding: 12px; background-color: #f0b646; line-height: 1.4;\">Disclosure: I borrowed the mouthpiece mentioned above from a fan of my site in the hope that I would try it and perhaps review it on my blog. I am returning it immediately after this review. Regardless, I only review mouthpieces that I enjoy playing and believe will be good for other saxophone players to try also. Steve<\/div>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Yes,\u00a0 you read that right!\u00a0 A .170 tip opening!! That&#8217;s a 14 tip opening!\u00a0 To give you a little bit of a backstory, I received this email the other day from a fan of my site: &#8220;Hi Steve, I have a favor to ask of you, if you can fit it in to your schedule. 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