{"id":107355,"date":"2022-02-23T14:14:48","date_gmt":"2022-02-23T19:14:48","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/www.neffmusic.com\/blog\/?p=107355"},"modified":"2022-02-23T23:38:47","modified_gmt":"2022-02-24T04:38:47","slug":"do-mouthpiece-patches-and-beak-height-make-a-difference-to-the-sound-of-a-saxophone","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.neffmusic.com\/blog\/2022\/02\/do-mouthpiece-patches-and-beak-height-make-a-difference-to-the-sound-of-a-saxophone\/","title":{"rendered":"Do Mouthpiece Patches and Beak Height Make a Difference to the Sound of a Saxophone?"},"content":{"rendered":"<p style=\"text-align: left;\">Today, I am posting a personal experiment of mine to answer some questions I have about the discernible differences a mouthpiece patch and the mouthpiece beak height make to the sound of the saxophone.\u00a0 I know many of you out there will perhaps think this is foolish but I am doing this to satisfy my own personnel curiosity.<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/cdn.neffmusic.com\/2022\/J7NoPatches.jpg\" rel=\"shadowbox\"><img decoding=\"async\" class=\"aligncenter\" style=\"border: 0px initial initial;\" src=\"https:\/\/cdn.neffmusic.com\/2022\/J7NoPatches.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"500\" height=\"350\" border=\"0\" hspace=\"0\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: center;\"><strong>Lamberson J7 Tenor Saxophone Mouthpiece with No Mouthpiece Patch<\/strong><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: left;\">These questions of mine started a long time ago when I was playing the saxophone in college.\u00a0 I\u00a0 remember my sax teacher at the time telling me that I could put a mouthpiece patch of some tape or rubber onto the beak of my sax mouthpiece to prevent the deep teeth marks I was putting in my saxophone mouthpieces at the time.<\/p>\n<p>This was good news for me because every mouthpiece I had played had deep teeth gouges worn into the beak of each mouthpiece.\u00a0 I know, I know, we are not supposed to bite like that while playing the saxophone, but I was a young energetic alto sax player trying to sound like Dave Sanborn and Mark Russo and biting just seemed to get me closer to that goal at the time.\u00a0 I apologize for not being a good saxophone playing role model in my younger years&#8230;&#8230;..<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/cdn.neffmusic.com\/2022\/J71Patches.jpg\" rel=\"shadowbox\"><img decoding=\"async\" class=\"aligncenter\" style=\"border: 0px initial initial;\" src=\"https:\/\/cdn.neffmusic.com\/2022\/J71Patches.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"500\" height=\"350\" border=\"0\" hspace=\"0\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: center;\"><strong>Lamberson J7 Saxophone Mouthpiece with One Forestone Mouthpiece Patch<\/strong><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: left;\">Upon trying a patch on my mouthpiece back then, I noticed an immediate change in my saxophone sound.\u00a0 For classical music, this change was fine but for my jazz playing, I felt like the patch really effected my tone in a negative way.\u00a0 The mouthpiece patch seemed to dull the tone and take some of the highs and brights that I loved in my sound away.\u00a0 At least that was my impression as I played my saxophone with a patch on my mouthpiece.<\/p>\n<p>The sound I was used to hearing through my ears and inside my head while playing was completely changed and I did not like that.\u00a0 I was at a point where I was really starting to dig that sound I was producing and hearing while I played, the last thing I wanted to do was to change what I was hearing while playing.<\/p>\n<div>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/cdn.neffmusic.com\/2022\/J72Patches.jpg\" rel=\"shadowbox\"><img decoding=\"async\" class=\"aligncenter\" style=\"border: 0px initial initial;\" src=\"https:\/\/cdn.neffmusic.com\/2022\/J72Patches.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"500\" height=\"350\" border=\"0\" hspace=\"0\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: center;\"><strong>Lamberson J7 Saxophone Mouthpiece with Two Forestone Mouthpiece Patches<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>Besides just having my tone effected, I also had a harder time hearing myself while playing gigs with live bands with a mouthpiece patch on my mouthpiece.\u00a0 I could not hear myself on loud gigs and when I took the mouthpiece patch off, I could then hear myself again.\u00a0 This fact, combined with the impression that the patches lessened the highs, brights and edge in my saxophone sound, convinced me to give up on the mouthpiece patch idea at the time.<\/p>\n<p>Years later, when I started trying out different saxophone mouthpieces, I would revisit mouthpiece patches again and I have been using them ever since on my mouthpieces to protect them.\u00a0 But still, even today, I find myself wondering what, if any, perceivable difference a mouthpiece patch makes to the saxophone tone from the perspective of the listener.<\/p>\n<p>I have read many views and opinions on this subject on the internet over the years that say a mouthpiece patch can make a difference in sound to the player because it dulls the vibrations traveling through the mouthpiece, into the teeth, up the jaw and to the ears of the player, but the difference to the audience is insignificant and negligible.\u00a0 Some have written that there is no difference to the listener whatsoever.\u00a0 \u00a0Still, how could such a drastic change in tone be so obvious to me the player, but the listener hears no difference whatsoever?<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/cdn.neffmusic.com\/2022\/J73Patches.jpg\" rel=\"shadowbox\"><img decoding=\"async\" class=\"aligncenter\" style=\"border: 0px initial initial;\" src=\"https:\/\/cdn.neffmusic.com\/2022\/J73Patches.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"500\" height=\"350\" border=\"0\" hspace=\"0\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: center;\"><strong>Lamberson J7 Saxophone Mouthpiece with Three Forestone Mouthpiece Patches<\/strong><\/p>\n<div>On another related subject, I have also had the impression through the years, that higher beaked saxophone mouthpieces seem to change my tone compared to sax mouthpieces with lower beaks.\u00a0 \u00a0I&#8217;m not saying it is good or bad, but in general, I have had the impression (not a fact, but just my opinion) that lower beaked saxophone mouthpieces are brighter and louder.\u00a0 Higher beaked saxophone mouthpiece seem to be darker (less bright and edge) and warmer sounding.\u00a0 I have also had the impression on gigs that lower beaked tenor mouthpieces were easier to hear myself with and higher beaked mouthpieces were harder to hear myself with on a live gig.<\/div>\n<div><\/div>\n<div>I have read online that this experience is probably caused by the fact that a lower beaked saxophone mouthpiece has less material in the beak and hence, more vibrations travel into the teeth making it sound brighter and louder inside the player&#8217;s head.\u00a0 A higher beaked saxophone mouthpiece has more material and is thicker in the beak which lessens the vibrations traveling through the sax mouthpiece to the teeth.\u00a0 Hence, making the saxophone&#8217;s tone sound less bright and loud to the player.<\/div>\n<div>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/cdn.neffmusic.com\/2022\/J74Patches.jpg\" rel=\"shadowbox\"><img decoding=\"async\" class=\"aligncenter\" style=\"border: 0px initial initial;\" src=\"https:\/\/cdn.neffmusic.com\/2022\/J74Patches.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"500\" height=\"350\" border=\"0\" hspace=\"0\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: center;\"><strong>Lamberson J7 Saxophone Mouthpiece with Four Forestone Mouthpiece Patches<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>Please keep in mind that everything I have stated so far in this article has been based on my subjective impressions, experiences, opinions and random stuff I have read on the internet.\u00a0 The point of this article was to record some clips of me playing the same thing with a different variety of mouthpiece patches on my mouthpiece and to see if the differences I hear in my head are at all perceivable on the recordings.<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/cdn.neffmusic.com\/2022\/J76Patches.jpg\" rel=\"shadowbox\"><img decoding=\"async\" class=\"aligncenter\" style=\"border: 0px initial initial;\" src=\"https:\/\/cdn.neffmusic.com\/2022\/J76Patches.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"500\" height=\"350\" border=\"0\" hspace=\"0\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: center;\"><strong>Lamberson J7 Saxophone Mouthpiece with Six Forestone Mouthpiece Patches<\/strong><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: left;\">On the seven clips below, I play the beginning melody to &#8220;My One and Only Love&#8221; on the tenor saxophone with a Lamberson J7 tenor saxophone mouthpiece.\u00a0 The first clip is with no mouthpiece patch and my front teeth are just sitting on the hard rubber.\u00a0 I honestly have not attempted to play without a patch like this in over 15 years I think.<\/p>\n<p>In my head and ears, playing this first clip was almost unbearable!\u00a0 The tone was incredibly loud, bright and edgy.\u00a0 \u00a0The sound in my head sounded so loud and bright that it felt like if I played like that all the time, I would probably lose the last of my hearing in my one good ear that is left.<\/p>\n<p>The second clip is how I usually play with one mouthpiece patch on the mouthpiece. The volume in my head was more &#8220;under control&#8221; and was no longer unbearable.\u00a0 The highs and brights also seemed to be less which to my ear was a good difference and change.<\/p>\n<p>For the sake of this article, I wanted to experiment with thicker patches to reproduce the feel of a higher mouthpiece beak profile for the sound clips.\u00a0 I recorded a clip with 2, 3, 4 and 6 mouthpiece patches piled on top of each other.<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/cdn.neffmusic.com\/2022\/J7HugePatch.jpg\" rel=\"shadowbox\"><img decoding=\"async\" class=\"aligncenter\" style=\"border: 0px initial initial;\" src=\"https:\/\/cdn.neffmusic.com\/2022\/J7HugePatch.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"500\" height=\"350\" border=\"0\" hspace=\"0\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: center;\"><strong>Lamberson J7 Saxophone Mouthpiece played with a Ridiculously Thick Piece of Rubber on the Mouthpiece Beak<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>Lastly,\u00a0 just for the heck of it, I decided to try playing with a thick piece of rubber between my top teeth and the mouthpiece (as seen in the photo above).\u00a0 I used a rubber SYOS mouthpiece cap for this experiment and it was definitely not easy or comfortable but I wanted to see if that simulated higher beak profile would indeed make a difference in the perceived sound to the listener.\u00a0 I had difficulty tonguing from this higher beak position and did not tongue the beginning notes of the melody like I did in the rest of the clips.<\/p>\n<p>Listen to the sound clips below and let me know what you think in the comments below.\u00a0 I found it helpful to listen to one segment of a clip and then play the same segment on the next clip and so on.\u00a0 \u00a0If you hear no difference whatsoever, that is fine, let me know.\u00a0 \u00a0If you do hear a difference between any of the clips, let me know that as well.\u00a0 I tried to keep the clips as similar as possible but there are indeed some differences between the clips as far as my playing (it&#8217;s so hard to make someone who loves to improvise play the same exact thing over and over again&#8230;&#8230;.)<\/p>\n<p>Thanks for taking the time to listen.\u00a0 Let me know what you think in the comments below.\u00a0 \u00a0 Steve<\/p>\n<p><em>*Please keep in mind that the better your speakers and sound system are, the more details you will hear in these clips.\u00a0 Listening on your old iPhone while you ride the subway will probably not give you optimal results&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;.<\/em><\/p>\n<p>*The sound clips below are lossless wave files for the most realistic sound and best quality.<\/p>\n<p>PS. I swear I can hear a slight difference between the first note of each clip but is this my mind playing games on me or does the mouthpiece patch make a difference?\u00a0 Does the first clip sound more vibrant?\u00a0 I swear it does but then again, my brain might be hearing what it expects to hear.\u00a0 Could I pick out this difference if the tracks were mixed up and it was a blind test?\u00a0 Now that would be hard&#8230;&#8230;..\u00a0 You decide for yourself&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;<\/p>\n<audio class=\"wp-audio-shortcode\" id=\"audio-107355-1\" preload=\"none\" style=\"width: 100%;\" controls=\"controls\"><source type=\"audio\/wav\" src=\"https:\/\/cdn.neffmusic.com\/2022\/J7NoPatch.wav?_=1\" \/><a href=\"https:\/\/cdn.neffmusic.com\/2022\/J7NoPatch.wav\">https:\/\/cdn.neffmusic.com\/2022\/J7NoPatch.wav<\/a><\/audio>\n<p style=\"text-align: center;\"><strong><strong>Lamberson J7 Sax Mouthpiece with No Patch<\/strong><\/strong><\/p>\n<audio class=\"wp-audio-shortcode\" id=\"audio-107355-2\" preload=\"none\" style=\"width: 100%;\" controls=\"controls\"><source type=\"audio\/wav\" src=\"https:\/\/cdn.neffmusic.com\/2022\/J71Patch.wav?_=2\" \/><a href=\"https:\/\/cdn.neffmusic.com\/2022\/J71Patch.wav\">https:\/\/cdn.neffmusic.com\/2022\/J71Patch.wav<\/a><\/audio>\n<p style=\"text-align: center;\"><strong><strong>Lamberson J7 Sax Mouthpiece with One Patch<\/strong><\/strong><\/p>\n<audio class=\"wp-audio-shortcode\" id=\"audio-107355-3\" preload=\"none\" style=\"width: 100%;\" controls=\"controls\"><source type=\"audio\/wav\" src=\"https:\/\/cdn.neffmusic.com\/2022\/J72Patches.wav?_=3\" \/><a href=\"https:\/\/cdn.neffmusic.com\/2022\/J72Patches.wav\">https:\/\/cdn.neffmusic.com\/2022\/J72Patches.wav<\/a><\/audio>\n<p style=\"text-align: center;\"><strong><strong>Lamberson J7 Sax Mouthpiece with Two Patches<\/strong><\/strong><\/p>\n<audio class=\"wp-audio-shortcode\" id=\"audio-107355-4\" preload=\"none\" style=\"width: 100%;\" controls=\"controls\"><source type=\"audio\/wav\" src=\"https:\/\/cdn.neffmusic.com\/2022\/J73Patches.wav?_=4\" \/><a href=\"https:\/\/cdn.neffmusic.com\/2022\/J73Patches.wav\">https:\/\/cdn.neffmusic.com\/2022\/J73Patches.wav<\/a><\/audio>\n<p style=\"text-align: center;\"><strong><strong>Lamberson J7 Sax Mouthpiece with Three Patches<\/strong><\/strong><\/p>\n<audio class=\"wp-audio-shortcode\" id=\"audio-107355-5\" preload=\"none\" style=\"width: 100%;\" controls=\"controls\"><source type=\"audio\/wav\" src=\"https:\/\/cdn.neffmusic.com\/2022\/J74Patches.wav?_=5\" \/><a href=\"https:\/\/cdn.neffmusic.com\/2022\/J74Patches.wav\">https:\/\/cdn.neffmusic.com\/2022\/J74Patches.wav<\/a><\/audio>\n<p style=\"text-align: center;\"><strong><strong>Lamberson J7 Sax Mouthpiece with Four Patches<\/strong><\/strong><\/p>\n<audio class=\"wp-audio-shortcode\" id=\"audio-107355-6\" preload=\"none\" style=\"width: 100%;\" controls=\"controls\"><source type=\"audio\/wav\" src=\"https:\/\/cdn.neffmusic.com\/2022\/J76Patches.wav?_=6\" \/><a href=\"https:\/\/cdn.neffmusic.com\/2022\/J76Patches.wav\">https:\/\/cdn.neffmusic.com\/2022\/J76Patches.wav<\/a><\/audio>\n<p style=\"text-align: center;\"><strong><strong>Lamberson J7 Sax Mouthpiece with Six Patches<\/strong><\/strong><\/p>\n<audio class=\"wp-audio-shortcode\" id=\"audio-107355-7\" preload=\"none\" style=\"width: 100%;\" controls=\"controls\"><source type=\"audio\/wav\" src=\"https:\/\/cdn.neffmusic.com\/2022\/J7BigRubber.wav?_=7\" \/><a href=\"https:\/\/cdn.neffmusic.com\/2022\/J7BigRubber.wav\">https:\/\/cdn.neffmusic.com\/2022\/J7BigRubber.wav<\/a><\/audio>\n<p style=\"text-align: center;\"><strong><strong>Lamberson J7 Sax Mouthpiece with A Big Thick Piece of Rubber Over Beak<\/strong><\/strong><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Today, I am posting a personal experiment of mine to answer some questions I have about the discernible differences a mouthpiece patch 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